Transcript of Robert Brame from recent episode of Global Research News Hour
Robert Brame identifies himself as a botanist and a forensic arborist. As he stated in his email, he had half a century of plant research with scientific plant books in hand and he’s been an old mountain climber for the same amount of time. He has cooked campfires using several different woods in the region.
But in the last 8 years, he noticed based on footage and on his own trips into the region of the major fires that had been burning there, and in Maui in 2023, that the fires had bizarre properties not easily explained by carbon-induced “climate change.” For one thing, trees and sneakers were unburned, homes and cars were burned!
Robert Brame talked about the fires in a recent episode of the Global Research News Hour.
Transcript of Robert Brame. January 27, 2025
Global Research: Some scientists have been trying to correct what they call conspiracy theories about what caused the fires to spread. Some of them say that people naturally feel the need to point to an explanation they can understand. Hence, it was created by humans.
Do you think this might be one element of the dissenting perspective you are talking about? Or are they just way off base?
Robert Brame: Well, if you’re talking about supposed arsonists lighting these fires, I think that rarely happens. I’m not ruling it out, but I believe that rarely happens because these are not the same flames.
GR: Well, you mentioned the fires that you witnessed way back in Northern California, Santa Rosa area in 2017.
It got you questioning what really happened because of the strange phenomenon you witnessed. Briefly, if you could, could you mention a few of the phenomena you witnessed that were not consistent with the heat from conventional fires and the damage they do to everything in its path?
RB: Yeah, why sure. When I first saw the pictures up there, I noticed 4700 homes had turned to white ash, and there was no black, no carbon anywhere.
And the photos I saw on the internet, I saw trees everywhere, all kinds of species unburned, untouched. So when I went up there and started analyzing this place, I found plastics around the yards, such as children’s play structures, plastic, swimming pools above ground, rubber garden hoses, trampolines, synthetics, all untouched unless there’s metal in close proximity. And then of course, when I get into the trees, more of my expertise, I noticed the trees that hold the most water, especially your extreme water levers that just are filled with water, the willow, cottonwood, alder, birch, aspen, even the maples, madrones, and the oak trees, oak trees hold a ton of water.
They’re burning from the inside out. First of all, these trees are very, very wet. There’s no reason for a flame to be
burning the middles out and leaving the leaves untouched.
They may be brown or light shaded green, but they’re not burned up, no matter what species I look at. Unless of course, they’re right next to metals, like a home, and I mean close, 10 feet or closer. The rest are not burning up.
And then when you get into the coniferous trees, the pines, spruce, fir, large, things like that, cedars, they should be burning up and they’re not. And they are cooking from the inside out, but at a much slower rate, because they don’t have that liquidy, watery juice in them. It’s more sappy.
And when it comes to the sap, that sap in a pine ignites just under 200 degrees, and they’re not burning up like they normally should. Pine needles touching the ground, and the flames refuse to ignite them. And the same goes with your eucalyptus genus.
Most combustible leaves I know of, you can light them on fire with a small campfire very easily. It’s one of my fire starters when I’m camping around the lowlands. But that sums up most of it.
Everything that should burn doesn’t, and everything that is burning, shouldn’t be burning. And I’m finding that every aftermath I go to.
GR: So you mentioned something like the watery areas that have water going through them, that burns up?
RB: Yeah, somehow it heats up very quickly and ignites and burns these trees from the inside out, which generally happens only in the oldest trees.
We see it a lot in fruit trees, because we cut them in half, prune them drastically, and they hollow out over 10 to 40 years. They just hollow out. But not these adult trees that have 100% leaves all over them.
There’s no dieback on them, yet they’re hollowed out, and they fall over, and you’ll see them burn from the inside out all the way down into the roots and subterranean roots everywhere, burned out, and the trees fall over. And many of these places are in short grass where it’s cattle country, range cattle are out there, and it’s September, October, they eat the grass down to two to four inches. It’s gone.
There’s not enough combustible material left to warrant burning these things up, even burning up the leaves. So that’s what’s happening. The trees that hold the most water are the ones that burn first, not last.
GR: Yeah, well, it sounds like the same kind of pattern is when I put food in a microwave oven, that it’s because it’s not the heat from the coils that are going into it. It’s like you say, the water and the fat inside heats up, and that’s the source of what cooks it. And you also mentioned how metal also gets charged.
RB: Yeah.
GR: …and that’s what happens in the microwave oven as well. Is it essentially the same kind of pattern? Are you essentially a forest being put inside a microwave oven?
RB: That’s the closest I would equate it to. The metals are on fire, whether they’re ferrous or non-ferrous, like your vehicles.
Aluminum rims or alloy rims are all melting out without exception. Every car I’ve seen in seven years, if they’re alloys or aluminum, they’ll melt it out, and they’ll keep flowing in a liquid state, perhaps 20 feet from a vehicle on pavement, and there’s nothing out there to keep it liquefied. It should be cooling off rapidly, but it doesn’t.
It just keeps on going. And of course, your windows too, your auto glass melting at 2,500 degrees, and that’s only the starting point. Perhaps it goes up to 27 or even 3,000 degrees, and the windows are melting out.
And that’s every vehicle I’ve seen in seven years, no exceptions.
GR: And also, I guess you’d say that the fire is currently burning right now in the Palisades. It’s the same pattern that you’ve discovered so far?
RB: Yes, every large fire in Southern California.
I’ve seen all the pictures on the internet. It’s the same thing. Trees are virtually untouched, and homes are turned to white ash.
And I see plastics. You see the plastic garbage cans, the recycle bins in the street. If you get
there quick enough and get in there, you’ll find all this material that’s untouched.
But if they don’t let you in for the fear of your safety, they bring trucks in at some point and take everything off your property because they don’t want the evidence of materials that were unburned that should have burned. And I’m seeing this everywhere. If I get in there quick enough, I find materials everywhere, even paper and plastic and cardboard, synthetic flags, they won’t burn.
GR: Yeah. I know that, I mean, you know all of the, you’ve burned every kind of wood that’s out there, the redwoods, the Douglas firs, and so on and so forth. And you could, even before you go on the scene, you could say, okay, this is how they should burn.
And then you’re seeing a totally different pattern, right?
RB: Yeah, that’s correct. I’ve backpacked from sea level of 14,000 feet, and timberline can be up to 12,000 feet in some of the higher Sierra areas. I’ve burned everything, just throughout the state.
I know what burns and what doesn’t. And even in a standard, normal wood fire that we know of, oak trees don’t burn. Their leaves are fire retardants.
There’s too much water in them. There’s not enough dead wood in them to warrant flames. If they’re short, you know, in the brush areas, they’ll burn along with the other more combustible shrubs.
But take the flame away, they go out. Oak trees don’t burn up. Yeah, and all the conifers, I’ve burned them all.
Mostly it’s the pine family. And there’s also incense cedar and red cedar in California. I’ve burned everything, 50 years of this.
Even things that shouldn’t be in the fire, I’ve tried to burn them. And in a little campfire, I can burn any leaf in California in one minute. If I have a little campfire going, it doesn’t matter what the leaf is.
And I’m seeing horrific firestorms and the leaves are not burned, or seldom. It’s seldom.
GR: Well, I checked through snopes.com for the facts they say about the Pacific Palisades, so-called conspiracy theories.
And they touched on a report by University of California Agriculture and Natural Resources, which said, even in cases of severe fire behavior and high tree mortality, most trees are not completely consumed, and the main trunk will remain standing, although the leaves, needles, and branches may be gone. I don’t know, how do you respond to scientific reports like that?
RB: Well, like that, that sounds correct, because I’ve been on some normal fires in the high Sierra, and the poles are left. The bowl of the tree, limbless, maybe a few limbs, holes through the trunk.
In a firestorm, that’s what’s left, the main trunk. And it might not be 100 feet tall, it might be 40 feet tall now, or even a stump. It will really burn well, because of the sap inside.
And limbless, and they don’t leave needles. That would be your number one combustible material for any forest fire, is the needles. And of course, all the mulch on the ground, all the leaves that build up over so many years.
GR: Have you tried to bring these issues to the attention of the general public? I mean, beyond podcasts and such? Have you talked to any major press about it?
RB: Major press, none. They’re told not to listen to me, I’m sure of it. They like hearing the lies of the media.
Very few firemen understand what I talk about. They don’t have the background I do. A few fire captains like John Lord and Matt Dakin, the two 30-year fire captains that analyzed Santa Rosa in Paradise, they became fast friends.
And they understand everything, all the technology used. We became fast friends. But the media has done its job.
The sixth media giant has brainwashed everybody to believe their narrative, their false narrative. The real conspiracy is everything out of their mouth. They can question me, but it’s just misinformation coming from their mouth, not mine.
I’ve studied this for way too long.
GR: So given your inability to find an explanation for what you’ve seen in nature, is there any human invention that you may be aware of that might have produced this sort of outcome?
RB: Oh, you know, I would just be guessing at that. Some types of laser technology is the closest I would come up with.
But it’s just a wild guess. We have all that weaponry in the Navy and the Air Force and different branches of military. They have all kinds of different laser-type weapons.
They’re even advertised on YouTube. And you see all the videos with the Athena laser and the Trillion Watt laser, which was developed less than 20 miles from my house. But it’s all guesswork.
We have no idea exactly what they’re building and what they’re using against the citizens.
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